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		<title>By: Black Box power supply &#8211; 40 Watt Heat Generation</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-5347</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Box power supply &#8211; 40 Watt Heat Generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The surface is cooled by absorption of sunlight in the atmosphere before it reaches the surface (67 Watts per square meter), sensible heat loss (24 W m^-2), latent heat loss (78) and window radiation (40). Of the 390 W m^-2 or so radiated by the &#8230;.. Destructive oscillation like stable oscillation requires internal energy source i.e. the power supply which might come from the power station 30 km away it&#8217;s still &#8220;internal&#8221;. Without that internal power supply both are a &#8230;Read more&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The surface is cooled by absorption of sunlight in the atmosphere before it reaches the surface (67 Watts per square meter), sensible heat loss (24 W m^-2), latent heat loss (78) and window radiation (40). Of the 390 W m^-2 or so radiated by the &#8230;.. Destructive oscillation like stable oscillation requires internal energy source i.e. the power supply which might come from the power station 30 km away it&#8217;s still &#8220;internal&#8221;. Without that internal power supply both are a &#8230;Read more&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comments on the Role of Theory</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-5346</link>
		<dc:creator>Comments on the Role of Theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the climate front, Ferenc Miskolczi posted a relevant comment yesterday. Critics of his theory have been worried by the stated relationships of the observations [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the climate front, Ferenc Miskolczi posted a relevant comment yesterday. Critics of his theory have been worried by the stated relationships of the observations [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-5345</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am starting a new post for this thread due to the length.  Please continue at http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine-2/</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-6915</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sadun Kal</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-5344</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadun Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I don&#039;t think you were ever equally skeptical about the current mainstream view, neither after you began studying it nor before. (Your studies only strengthened your connection with it probably and I suppose you never approached it critically. In that sense it is pretty much like religion actually if you think about it, but that&#039;s irrelevant for now and I don&#039;t want to anger you. ) What I&#039;m trying to say is that the main reason that you&#039;re so aggressively opposing Miskolczi is because he disagrees with so much that you were indoctrinated with. I&#039;m sure if you were raised by him (i.e. if you were his son) you wouldn&#039;t be in your current position no matter what and where you study. So you&#039;re certainly not biased towards him and it looks probable that the opposite might be the case.

Anyway, it can be that he really is wrong. But it can also be that he sees the world differently than you were taught to see and perhaps unbelievably his vision is more accurate than yours. The point is you&#039;ll never know until you truly understand him. To achieve that, first you must acknowledge the possibility that he may somehow be right. You should completely absorb this fact, it&#039;s essential. Only after that will you be able to invest enough time to try and see the world through his point of view. If you can&#039;t convince yourself to do that (because you think it&#039;s too unlikely or whatever) then you should avoid actively taking a stance.  I, for example, don&#039;t really have much clue who&#039;s right, I don&#039;t intend to study Miskolczi&#039;s views. Therefore I&#039;m just observing from outside and not acting as if I know all there is to know. But as far as I can tell you arrived here with a very solid assumption that he is wrong. You should consider reshaping that assumption...and I don&#039;t mean just on the surface. Do it sincerely; begin to act and talk and live like someone who knows that it is absolutely possible that a seemingly incompetent scientist may just be a misunderstood but a pretty competent one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you were ever equally skeptical about the current mainstream view, neither after you began studying it nor before. (Your studies only strengthened your connection with it probably and I suppose you never approached it critically. In that sense it is pretty much like religion actually if you think about it, but that&#8217;s irrelevant for now and I don&#8217;t want to anger you. ) What I&#8217;m trying to say is that the main reason that you&#8217;re so aggressively opposing Miskolczi is because he disagrees with so much that you were indoctrinated with. I&#8217;m sure if you were raised by him (i.e. if you were his son) you wouldn&#8217;t be in your current position no matter what and where you study. So you&#8217;re certainly not biased towards him and it looks probable that the opposite might be the case.</p>
<p>Anyway, it can be that he really is wrong. But it can also be that he sees the world differently than you were taught to see and perhaps unbelievably his vision is more accurate than yours. The point is you&#8217;ll never know until you truly understand him. To achieve that, first you must acknowledge the possibility that he may somehow be right. You should completely absorb this fact, it&#8217;s essential. Only after that will you be able to invest enough time to try and see the world through his point of view. If you can&#8217;t convince yourself to do that (because you think it&#8217;s too unlikely or whatever) then you should avoid actively taking a stance.  I, for example, don&#8217;t really have much clue who&#8217;s right, I don&#8217;t intend to study Miskolczi&#8217;s views. Therefore I&#8217;m just observing from outside and not acting as if I know all there is to know. But as far as I can tell you arrived here with a very solid assumption that he is wrong. You should consider reshaping that assumption&#8230;and I don&#8217;t mean just on the surface. Do it sincerely; begin to act and talk and live like someone who knows that it is absolutely possible that a seemingly incompetent scientist may just be a misunderstood but a pretty competent one.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadun Kal</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-6914</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadun Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I don&#039;t think you were ever equally skeptical about the current mainstream view, neither after you began studying it nor before. (Your studies only strengthened your connection with it probably and I suppose you never approached it critically. In that sense it is pretty much like religion actually if you think about it, but that&#039;s irrelevant for now and I don&#039;t want to anger you. ) What I&#039;m trying to say is that the main reason that you&#039;re so aggressively opposing Miskolczi is because he disagrees with so much that you were indoctrinated with. I&#039;m sure if you were raised by him (i.e. if you were his son) you wouldn&#039;t be in your current position no matter what and where you study. So you&#039;re certainly not biased towards him and it looks probable that the opposite might be the case.

Anyway, it can be that he really is wrong. But it can also be that he sees the world differently than you were taught to see and perhaps unbelievably his vision is more accurate than yours. The point is you&#039;ll never know until you truly understand him. To achieve that, first you must acknowledge the possibility that he may somehow be right. You should completely absorb this fact, it&#039;s essential. Only after that will you be able to invest enough time to try and see the world through his point of view. If you can&#039;t convince yourself to do that (because you think it&#039;s too unlikely or whatever) then you should avoid actively taking a stance.  I, for example, don&#039;t really have much clue who&#039;s right, I don&#039;t intend to study Miskolczi&#039;s views. Therefore I&#039;m just observing from outside and not acting as if I know all there is to know. But as far as I can tell you arrived here with a very solid assumption that he is wrong. You should consider reshaping that assumption...and I don&#039;t mean just on the surface. Do it sincerely; begin to act and talk and live like someone who knows that it is absolutely possible that a seemingly incompetent scientist may just be a misunderstood but a pretty competent one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you were ever equally skeptical about the current mainstream view, neither after you began studying it nor before. (Your studies only strengthened your connection with it probably and I suppose you never approached it critically. In that sense it is pretty much like religion actually if you think about it, but that&#8217;s irrelevant for now and I don&#8217;t want to anger you. ) What I&#8217;m trying to say is that the main reason that you&#8217;re so aggressively opposing Miskolczi is because he disagrees with so much that you were indoctrinated with. I&#8217;m sure if you were raised by him (i.e. if you were his son) you wouldn&#8217;t be in your current position no matter what and where you study. So you&#8217;re certainly not biased towards him and it looks probable that the opposite might be the case.</p>
<p>Anyway, it can be that he really is wrong. But it can also be that he sees the world differently than you were taught to see and perhaps unbelievably his vision is more accurate than yours. The point is you&#8217;ll never know until you truly understand him. To achieve that, first you must acknowledge the possibility that he may somehow be right. You should completely absorb this fact, it&#8217;s essential. Only after that will you be able to invest enough time to try and see the world through his point of view. If you can&#8217;t convince yourself to do that (because you think it&#8217;s too unlikely or whatever) then you should avoid actively taking a stance.  I, for example, don&#8217;t really have much clue who&#8217;s right, I don&#8217;t intend to study Miskolczi&#8217;s views. Therefore I&#8217;m just observing from outside and not acting as if I know all there is to know. But as far as I can tell you arrived here with a very solid assumption that he is wrong. You should consider reshaping that assumption&#8230;and I don&#8217;t mean just on the surface. Do it sincerely; begin to act and talk and live like someone who knows that it is absolutely possible that a seemingly incompetent scientist may just be a misunderstood but a pretty competent one.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Colose</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-5343</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Colose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway...it&#039;s past my bedtime.  Really, if people think this new paper is the next authoritative source on how atmospheres work (Goody and Yung he said!), that&#039;s wonderful but the scientific community and policy makers never will (that&#039;s what matters I suppose).  IF you disagree with me, fine, but iF there is any real empirical evidence or past climate/climate on other planets which we can apply these news physics, and the second version of Kichoff&#039;s law to and get some kind of predictive and explanatory power, I&#039;d be willing to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway&#8230;it&#8217;s past my bedtime.  Really, if people think this new paper is the next authoritative source on how atmospheres work (Goody and Yung he said!), that&#8217;s wonderful but the scientific community and policy makers never will (that&#8217;s what matters I suppose).  IF you disagree with me, fine, but iF there is any real empirical evidence or past climate/climate on other planets which we can apply these news physics, and the second version of Kichoff&#8217;s law to and get some kind of predictive and explanatory power, I&#8217;d be willing to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Colose</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-6913</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Colose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway...it&#039;s past my bedtime.  Really, if people think this new paper is the next authoritative source on how atmospheres work (Goody and Yung he said!), that&#039;s wonderful but the scientific community and policy makers never will (that&#039;s what matters I suppose).  IF you disagree with me, fine, but iF there is any real empirical evidence or past climate/climate on other planets which we can apply these news physics, and the second version of Kichoff&#039;s law to and get some kind of predictive and explanatory power, I&#039;d be willing to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway&#8230;it&#8217;s past my bedtime.  Really, if people think this new paper is the next authoritative source on how atmospheres work (Goody and Yung he said!), that&#8217;s wonderful but the scientific community and policy makers never will (that&#8217;s what matters I suppose).  IF you disagree with me, fine, but iF there is any real empirical evidence or past climate/climate on other planets which we can apply these news physics, and the second version of Kichoff&#8217;s law to and get some kind of predictive and explanatory power, I&#8217;d be willing to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Colose</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-5342</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Colose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jae,

you are arguably the most confused poster I&#039;ve encountered on the internet.  As a favor, please cite your top 5 sources of information on climate change.  I think it will be very revealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jae,</p>
<p>you are arguably the most confused poster I&#8217;ve encountered on the internet.  As a favor, please cite your top 5 sources of information on climate change.  I think it will be very revealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Colose</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/greenhouse-heat-engine/#comment-6912</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Colose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jae,

you are arguably the most confused poster I&#039;ve encountered on the internet.  As a favor, please cite your top 5 sources of information on climate change.  I think it will be very revealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jae,</p>
<p>you are arguably the most confused poster I&#8217;ve encountered on the internet.  As a favor, please cite your top 5 sources of information on climate change.  I think it will be very revealing.</p>
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