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	<description>The power of numeracy</description>
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		<title>By: davids99us</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179471</link>
		<dc:creator>davids99us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 06:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. Jeez I wish I was a brilliant writer.  I think its my ED (thats&lt;br&gt;executive dysfunction not erectile dysfunction).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Jeez I wish I was a brilliant writer.  I think its my ED (thats<br />executive dysfunction not erectile dysfunction).</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179470</link>
		<dc:creator>TCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just skimmed it.  Seems like a decent approach.  Appreciate the literature review at the beginning.  Could be a little better written (some tense issues, the reference to Santer and Quinille (why the &quot;can be&quot; phraseology...just cite the original source for the equation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just skimmed it.  Seems like a decent approach.  Appreciate the literature review at the beginning.  Could be a little better written (some tense issues, the reference to Santer and Quinille (why the &#8220;can be&#8221; phraseology&#8230;just cite the original source for the equation).</p>
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		<title>By: raydart</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179430</link>
		<dc:creator>raydart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of the engineering fraternity I don&#039;t generate hypotheses, only comment on their feasibility. It&#039;s impossible to accurately model an effect such as ENSO without modelling the whole system, then observe the ENSO effect within that system. Unfortunately, mass inertia plays such a large role within the system&#039;s dynamic that the converging Hadley Cells through to the Hadley/Ferrel jets need to be modelled in some 3D way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Engineers have a term for the ENSO effect, we apply it to a centrifugal turbine system and call it &quot;hunting&quot;. However, as you refuse to engage with the effect of inertia I&#039;ve tried to comment only on surface effect.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think I can be of more help here under such a restricted caveat, so I&#039;ll be off. If you need to contact me a post in the CA forum (where I use my nickname of suricat) should gain my attention.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards for the future, raydart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the engineering fraternity I don&#39;t generate hypotheses, only comment on their feasibility. It&#39;s impossible to accurately model an effect such as ENSO without modelling the whole system, then observe the ENSO effect within that system. Unfortunately, mass inertia plays such a large role within the system&#39;s dynamic that the converging Hadley Cells through to the Hadley/Ferrel jets need to be modelled in some 3D way.</p>
<p>Engineers have a term for the ENSO effect, we apply it to a centrifugal turbine system and call it &#8220;hunting&#8221;. However, as you refuse to engage with the effect of inertia I&#39;ve tried to comment only on surface effect.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think I can be of more help here under such a restricted caveat, so I&#39;ll be off. If you need to contact me a post in the CA forum (where I use my nickname of suricat) should gain my attention.</p>
<p>Best regards for the future, raydart.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stokes</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179428</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coho,&lt;br&gt;That was an impostor :(&lt;br&gt;Though you did guess my footy team right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coho,<br />That was an impostor <img src='http://landshape.org/enm/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />Though you did guess my footy team right.</p>
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		<title>By: cohenite</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179427</link>
		<dc:creator>cohenite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;2-box pickup&quot;; I liked Lucia&#039;s summation;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The phenomenological explanation for the rather large increase in temperature for the ocean box, is this: In Arthur’s box model, the ocean box absorbs 50 times as much of the forcing as the atmosphere box. Meanwhile, the heat capacity of Arthur’s ocean is only 10 times as large as the atmosphere, so one might expect the ocean to warm up more readily than the atmosphere.&quot; &lt;br&gt;Very droll; of course the 2-box idea is automatically deficient because the oceans are continually being recycled through the mantle so a 3rd box would be required for that process by which the oceans lose and gain energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2-box pickup&#8221;; I liked Lucia&#39;s summation;</p>
<p>&#8220;The phenomenological explanation for the rather large increase in temperature for the ocean box, is this: In Arthur’s box model, the ocean box absorbs 50 times as much of the forcing as the atmosphere box. Meanwhile, the heat capacity of Arthur’s ocean is only 10 times as large as the atmosphere, so one might expect the ocean to warm up more readily than the atmosphere.&#8221; <br />Very droll; of course the 2-box idea is automatically deficient because the oceans are continually being recycled through the mantle so a 3rd box would be required for that process by which the oceans lose and gain energy.</p>
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		<title>By: davids99us</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179426</link>
		<dc:creator>davids99us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I am happy for discussion, and clarifications, but being about &quot;the power of numeracy&quot; I am uncomfortable with loose discussion of hypotheses about complex process that noone really understands, as I don&#039;t see any power or potential influence in those.  Perhaps chat sites are more appropriate for such hypothesis generation.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not, like, a blog rule.  But I would personally only get engaged in discussions at the level that they can be directed to at least a hope of a conclusion.  Being heavily into writing papers now I am really focussed on taking one step at a time, in whatever direction doesn&#039;t matter, but only one step, and not generating a whole lot of &#039;interesting&#039; thoughts that will never be resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I am happy for discussion, and clarifications, but being about &#8220;the power of numeracy&#8221; I am uncomfortable with loose discussion of hypotheses about complex process that noone really understands, as I don&#39;t see any power or potential influence in those.  Perhaps chat sites are more appropriate for such hypothesis generation.  </p>
<p>This is not, like, a blog rule.  But I would personally only get engaged in discussions at the level that they can be directed to at least a hope of a conclusion.  Being heavily into writing papers now I am really focussed on taking one step at a time, in whatever direction doesn&#39;t matter, but only one step, and not generating a whole lot of &#39;interesting&#39; thoughts that will never be resolved.</p>
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		<title>By: raydart</title>
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		<dc:creator>raydart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that davids99us is correct to call for clarification. Following the first diurnal cycle, energy released by ocean becomes a radiative issue as latent energy between WV and cloud with their associated atmospheric forcings, but the initial energy release is ocean to atmosphere gas (WV) transmission and is part of the evapotranspiration phase of the hydrocycle. Thus, investigation of the drivers of the hydrocycle should indicate causes for ENSO. A good place to start looks to be the disparity of land and ocean area between the NH and SH regions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Without doubt, levels of OHC will display variant hysteresis parameters as the OHC must alter sea surface temps (as would land precipitation without runoff affect land WV production).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards, raydart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that davids99us is correct to call for clarification. Following the first diurnal cycle, energy released by ocean becomes a radiative issue as latent energy between WV and cloud with their associated atmospheric forcings, but the initial energy release is ocean to atmosphere gas (WV) transmission and is part of the evapotranspiration phase of the hydrocycle. Thus, investigation of the drivers of the hydrocycle should indicate causes for ENSO. A good place to start looks to be the disparity of land and ocean area between the NH and SH regions.</p>
<p>Without doubt, levels of OHC will display variant hysteresis parameters as the OHC must alter sea surface temps (as would land precipitation without runoff affect land WV production).</p>
<p>Best regards, raydart.</p>
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		<title>By: raydart</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179424</link>
		<dc:creator>raydart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Presumably you mean about AGW&quot;: No, I wouldn&#039;t pose such a pointless question. It was truth of science, or consensus with policy (to whichever group). However, any response would probably be pointless anyhow as you already seem to have side stepped the issue. No matter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d already read your last item on Jen&#039;s site when it was first posted. Refreshing read in our current desert of literature!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards, raydart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Presumably you mean about AGW&#8221;: No, I wouldn&#39;t pose such a pointless question. It was truth of science, or consensus with policy (to whichever group). However, any response would probably be pointless anyhow as you already seem to have side stepped the issue. No matter.</p>
<p>I&#39;d already read your last item on Jen&#39;s site when it was first posted. Refreshing read in our current desert of literature!</p>
<p>Best regards, raydart.</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnkat</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/no-weakening-of-the-walker/comment-page-1/#comment-179423</link>
		<dc:creator>kuhnkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick has been playing 2 Box pick-up model over at St. Lucia of Rank Exploit&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick has been playing 2 Box pick-up model over at St. Lucia of Rank Exploit&#39;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just means that ENSO influences the radiation budget-instead of merely being a redistribution of heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just means that ENSO influences the radiation budget-instead of merely being a redistribution of heat.</p>
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