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		<title>By: Davids99us</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-13609</link>
		<dc:creator>Davids99us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, Sorry about the delay.  I wanted to write a post on it but have not had time.  The issue I would have with T&#039;s rebuttal are the he seems quite incurious about the coincidence between the well documented changes in ocean circulation in bout 1976 and in 1998 (as cohenite linked to and others in my paper). 

He acknowledges that the Chow test is appropriate, but then wrongly says that I believe the break model, when it is quite clear that the break analysis is used in hypothesis testing mode, not modelling mode.  

The specific claims we made were: Quirk (that there was a break in 1976 - affirmative), and that their was a break in the continuous upward trend in temperatures (contradicting Easterling&#039;s assertion).  The fact that T had to factor out ocean indicators in his recent paper, in order to recover an underlying continuous upward trend, seems to demonstrate that Easterlings&#039;s assertion was statistically incorrect, and so T has had to try to fix it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, Sorry about the delay.  I wanted to write a post on it but have not had time.  The issue I would have with T&#8217;s rebuttal are the he seems quite incurious about the coincidence between the well documented changes in ocean circulation in bout 1976 and in 1998 (as cohenite linked to and others in my paper). </p>
<p>He acknowledges that the Chow test is appropriate, but then wrongly says that I believe the break model, when it is quite clear that the break analysis is used in hypothesis testing mode, not modelling mode.  </p>
<p>The specific claims we made were: Quirk (that there was a break in 1976 &#8211; affirmative), and that their was a break in the continuous upward trend in temperatures (contradicting Easterling&#8217;s assertion).  The fact that T had to factor out ocean indicators in his recent paper, in order to recover an underlying continuous upward trend, seems to demonstrate that Easterlings&#8217;s assertion was statistically incorrect, and so T has had to try to fix it.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-13606</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I will have a look at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I will have a look at it.</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-13605</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tamino has a new post up about your paper:

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/step-3/

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tamino has a new post up about your paper:</p>
<p><a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/step-3/" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/step-3/</a></p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-13592</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, As we do not claim that the existence of breaks refutes global warming, the claim that these articles explore, the articles have little to do with the paper.

What is relevant is whether the method used is sufficiently robust to represent actual regime shifts.  As the methods in the links find shifts in random data, they show the methods they have chosen are inadequate.  Largely this is because the have chosen a model that forces step changes.  We don&#039;t do that.  The model is free to fit a slope, or two slopes.

Showing lousy, inappropriate methods find spurious breaks, as these guys do, does not refute a more appropriate method that is less prone to errors.  

The purpose of our paper is to examine specific claims, such as Easterling&#039;s claim there is no possibility of a regime shift, and that temperatures are continuing to increase at the same rate.  Our analysis shows there is evidence of a break, a regime shift, for whatever reason, and so the claim that temperature increases have paused does have statistical basis.  

But you need a Chow test broken regressions at least and even more rigor to really address the question of statistically significant breaks.  Not just fit steps to the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, As we do not claim that the existence of breaks refutes global warming, the claim that these articles explore, the articles have little to do with the paper.</p>
<p>What is relevant is whether the method used is sufficiently robust to represent actual regime shifts.  As the methods in the links find shifts in random data, they show the methods they have chosen are inadequate.  Largely this is because the have chosen a model that forces step changes.  We don&#8217;t do that.  The model is free to fit a slope, or two slopes.</p>
<p>Showing lousy, inappropriate methods find spurious breaks, as these guys do, does not refute a more appropriate method that is less prone to errors.  </p>
<p>The purpose of our paper is to examine specific claims, such as Easterling&#8217;s claim there is no possibility of a regime shift, and that temperatures are continuing to increase at the same rate.  Our analysis shows there is evidence of a break, a regime shift, for whatever reason, and so the claim that temperature increases have paused does have statistical basis.  </p>
<p>But you need a Chow test broken regressions at least and even more rigor to really address the question of statistically significant breaks.  Not just fit steps to the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J.</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-13591</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested to see Stockwell and Cox defend this paper in light of the postings at:


http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/steps/

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/step-2/

http://www.skepticalscience.com/its-a-climate-shift-step-function-caused-by-natural-cycles.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested to see Stockwell and Cox defend this paper in light of the postings at:</p>
<p><a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/steps/" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/steps/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/step-2/" rel="nofollow">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/step-2/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/its-a-climate-shift-step-function-caused-by-natural-cycles.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/its-a-climate-shift-step-function-caused-by-natural-cycles.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Паради</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-13306</link>
		<dc:creator>Паради</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 02:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Отличный пост! поставлю ссылку на вас......&lt;/strong&gt;

У вас в RSS картинки не показывает......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Отличный пост! поставлю ссылку на вас&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>У вас в RSS картинки не показывает&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Global Warming: Why I Don&#8217;t Believe &#171; Brian&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-1643</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Warming: Why I Don&#8217;t Believe &#171; Brian&#039;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1930â€™s through to the late 1970â€™s of very variable, but overall flat temperature trend.&#8221; Preprint on Climatic Regime Shifts) (Decadal temperature variation is largely due to internal oceanic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1930â€™s through to the late 1970â€™s of very variable, but overall flat temperature trend.&#8221; Preprint on Climatic Regime Shifts) (Decadal temperature variation is largely due to internal oceanic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Niche Modeling &#187; Influence of the Southern Oscillation on tropospheric temperature</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-1642</link>
		<dc:creator>Niche Modeling &#187; Influence of the Southern Oscillation on tropospheric temperature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] temperature  Posted by David Stockwell in All, Climate    Table of contents for regime-shiftsPreprint on climatic regime shiftsSwanson and Tsonis 2009 on Regime-shiftsSwanson&#8217;s PC ProjectionInfluence of the Southern [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] temperature  Posted by David Stockwell in All, Climate    Table of contents for regime-shiftsPreprint on climatic regime shiftsSwanson and Tsonis 2009 on Regime-shiftsSwanson&#8217;s PC ProjectionInfluence of the Southern [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Niche Modeling &#187; Swanson and Tsonis 2009 on Regime-shifts</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-1641</link>
		<dc:creator>Niche Modeling &#187; Swanson and Tsonis 2009 on Regime-shifts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tsonis 2009 on Regime-shifts  Posted by admin in All, Climate    Table of contents for regime-shiftsPreprint on climatic regime shiftsSwanson and Tsonis 2009 on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tsonis 2009 on Regime-shifts  Posted by admin in All, Climate    Table of contents for regime-shiftsPreprint on climatic regime shiftsSwanson and Tsonis 2009 on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spangled drongo</title>
		<link>http://landshape.org/enm/preprint-on-climatic-regime-shifts/#comment-1644</link>
		<dc:creator>spangled drongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, since 1976 no cyclone has crossed the east coast of Australia south of the tropic of Capricorn whereas prior to this it was commonplace and often several times per year.It didn&#039;t stop happening gradually, it just stopped happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, since 1976 no cyclone has crossed the east coast of Australia south of the tropic of Capricorn whereas prior to this it was commonplace and often several times per year.It didn&#039;t stop happening gradually, it just stopped happening.</p>
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